Burning true

We work very hard to stay true to who we think we are. We consciously act in accordance with our identities always. If there is no actual self however, what does identity represent?
Does it matter? What matters in my mind is that it does not represent you. It's a set of beliefs about an erroneous non existent self informed by experience. The limitations of your character do not define the scope of your potential experiences. You are not your self.
There is no You so your Self is redundant. It's limitations are redundant. They do not apply, as there is no self for them to apply to. Human potential is defined by the limitations of each individual human body & mind complex.


In your identity society and the individual overlap. It is socially and personally limiting. We need some limitation of course. We are creatures of extraordinary potential both creatively and destructively, without some form of limitation this world would be even more of chaos. Should that limitation be imposed by self deception however? Surely compassion is enough of a limiting factor for human potential?


In (mis)taking ourselves (to be selves), we miss out on the wealth of our human potential.
We do only the things our identity allows us to do. We think only in ways our identity allows us to think.
We limit what we allow ourselves to do, to dream and to become based on these false notions.
Identity is the limiting factor in our pursuit of anything we may want. All self limitation is incorrect. In choosing to uphold an identity we choose to incorrectly limit ourselves. The limits that go along with the individual human body& psychosocial complex are the only limitations of that individual.


Identity is the shadow of a ghost and there's no such thing as ghosts.
We like to pretend there is though. Our society is founded on the notion that there are ghosts in the machine. Selves.
On this assumption we build and empower social contracts. In deferring authority to social contract is what holds this network of selves, this league of shadows, in place. This dynamic is at play across the social spectrum, from your relationships to family and friends to your relationship with your government.




There are two social contracts. The contract you enter into with your own self-image, and the one that self-image/identity holds with the wider world.
Self-image/identity consists of a set of rules by which we live our lives. Judging what we can and cannot, should and should not do. We defer our authority to this self image. We relinquish our sovereignty and self expression to self image. We live in accordance with that image at the cost of our authentic desires/intents/agencies.
Where you defer to self image, self image is dictated to by the wider world. By broader social convention. It is given meaning and value in the context of a wider network of identities. Society.  Your own self-image exists only in your head. Other people project their image of you onto you in their heads. The self-image people attribute to you is judged based on social convention. Conventions like rich, adventurous, athletic, humorous, intelligent, confident, are given certain values within a society. Your self image is valued based on its conformity to these conventions. That value is foisted upon your self image and you are expected to accept that as your own inherent value.
That is the dynamic that holds society in place. That is how the game is played.


In order to step outside of it you have to break the social contract.
Easier said than done.







The contract between the wider society and your identity/self-image cannot be broken. Not initially at least. This contract is enforced upon self-image form the outside. It is what adds inter-subjective (socially agreed) value to an identity. It is how others value your identity. There is no changing and no breaking free from that, save creating a counter-culture to usurp the original or act as a safe haven. Of course that has been tried numerous times in recent history with Hippies and Goths respectively. There was a much simpler more elegant solution available which both seem to have missed.


Break the social contract you hold with your identity and you are free to operate outside convention.
Resign the belief that your identity represents your "self" and you are free to exercise your own sovereignty and self expression. You no longer have to play by the rules defined by your identity or accept the values forced upon your identity by the wider world. Freedom from convention. Not inherent freedom from convention, but the choice to act within convention or without it.


Still it's not easy. You cannot just decide to "stop believing your identity". You've been acting in accordance with it for your entire life quashing authentic human agencies, your desires and intellectual drives, in order to conform to it. You can't just turn that off of your own volition, not without some groundwork. You need leverage, something concrete. You need to prove to yourself that self-image is in fact limiting.




“The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.” ― Nikola Tesla




The method of freeing yourself from the employ of your self-image is simple.
You apply the scientific method to your own self image, you test it to see if it represents an actual self. First person empirical inquiry into the nature of self. That is the key and the cure. The fact that there is no actual inherent self. The lack of an experiencer experiencing your life, the lack of a single essential entity driving your life, provides the leverage for you to wrench life from the clutches of limiting self-image. Don't take my word for it. Take your "self" as the hypothesis and find the first hand evidence to support or deny it's existence beyond a reasonable doubt. That's liberation, that is how you get free. The application of the scientific method to philosophical questions is an earth shatteringly powerful tool.


What does an honest person to do when she discovers that they have no self?
Live accordingly.


If there is no self then what is free? The body and mind that thought you existed and that they belonged to you. Their drives, ambitions, goals, intentions, joys and passions free from the spectre of a false and a limiting identity. They're free to authentic expression regardless of convention.


There's no amazing shift in perspective on liberation from identity. Just a small re-adjustment. Life goes on, no self needed. You now have the ability to step outside of your identity. You can stop pretending to be your self-image with ease. To act in whatever way you feel driven to act without the need to consciously project and uphold your self-image/identity. You no longer have to pretend to be of less value than others based on some social convention. Nor do you need to pretend that you are of higher value in order to go about your life.
There is no obligation to act in any certain way. You just act without needing accordance with an identity. You are not your identity. Social agreements may define the value of your identity, but your identity doesn't represent you. There is no you. Pretending to be your identity and allowing the value of that identity to be defined by outside sources is dehumanizing. Moreover, it is self deception. Unspoken social agreements can be revoked. You do that by denying the legitimacy of your identity/self-image through methodical empirical investigation of all those things you thought to be your "self".



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Here's a post form my friend Hicquoiam's blog. It's a conversation between him and another guy who reaches the realisation we've been talking about on this blog. It's been pasted over from Facebook


      • Hicqup Jenkins
        Ya, I could help with that

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • thinking about giving it a try
      • tried in the past with no luck

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • Hey
      • it took me 6 months
      • well - I only really tried for maybe the first 2
      • then randomly got it 4 months later
      • but, the point is anyone can do it anytime

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • i almost feel retarded. lol i like try to get it but can't

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • Heh, well
      • let's give it another shot shall we

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • yeah sure

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • Alright - lay it on me
      • how much do you understand about this no-you stuff?

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • i understand that we're on autopilot mostly
      • the ego, the self whatever isn't real
      • feeling it is hard though

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • common issue
      • the thing is you won't really "feel" it, and chasing that is a dead end
      • it's much more of a "noticing" thing
      • you have these understandings
      • but it's like
      • the difference between understanding everything about an apple
      • and seeing one for the first time
      • you have to apply those understandings to life
      • and see if they're true
      • and if they are

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • makes sense

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • see what it looks like
      • in other words
      • it's not enoguh to kind of understand that life is on autopilot
      • because it looked that way once
      • you have to really, really, see that there's no self controling life
      • on the level of experience, yeah
      • it won't BE an experience
      • it'll be recognizing what the data from experience is telling you

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • so take a look, any action
      • move your arm
      • what experiences are involved in that process?

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • just an arm moving really
      • uh
      • don't feel anything special

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • alright
      • no, you wont
      • obviously
      • before your arm moved
      • is there a you in the decision to move it?
      • where did the intention to move it come from?
      • can you trace it back to a self?

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • came form nowhere really. like i didn't think "arm move"
      • from*

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • cool
      • um
      • So you don't see a you anywhere in the gap between me asking you to move the arm
      • and the arm moving?

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • nah i can't
      • wasn't like i thought "arm move"

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • no
      • but even in thinking
      • think a thought right now
      • think of a green duck
      • see how that thought *doesn't* come from a you?

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • k
      • yeah just really appears i'd suppose

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • from where man?
      • what's causing it?

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • my brain

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • Oh
      • let's stick to only what you can see in experience
      • I mean yeah
      • it does come from a brain
      • but the assumption of a self
      • assumes there's something
      • some personal core, you
      • which generates experiences such as thoughts, actions
      • so right now
      • it feels like thoughts are coming from a you, yeah?

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • yeah i'd say that

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • cool
      • that's normal
      • but think "green duck" again
      • hell, even teh words green duck
      • the words, as thoughts, are real, right?
      • at least
      • they're real as experience

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • yeah

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • cool
      • and you're assuiming that they're coming from a self
      • can you trace the thought of those words back to a self?

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • again i'd say my brain

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • no
      • dude
      • no
      • only in experience
      • you're not experiencing the brain

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • i mean i've seen green ducks

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • stick to only what you can see, don't make any assumptions past that
      • yeah
      • but the thought
      • the actual words in your head
      • do they originate from a self?
      • look
      • find out
      • trace them back

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • hmmm

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • in experience
      • figure it out

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • okay not sure if this makes sense

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • go ahead

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • as far as experience goes its not really happening right now

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • what isn't?

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • the green duck

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • nonono
      • I just picked "green duck" as an arbitrary word for you to think
      • could have been "blabmalab"
      • just any thought
      • you think you're thinking thoughts
      • I'm saying there's no you thinking thoughts, there's just the thinking
      • that's what you need to check

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • the actions aren't you in other words

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • hmm?
      • oh
      • well yeah
      • they also don't come from a you
      • there is no you
      • look
      • check if that's true
      • there's just the actions
      • just life moving around
      • just thoughts poping up
      • experiences passing by
      • there's no you to which that experience happens
      • there's no you which thinks those thoughts and controls those actions
      • see that?
      • really, look
      • in realtime
      • don't think about it
      • just check if it's an accurate description of what's happening in realtime

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • i'd agree yeah

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • no
      • don't agree
      • man
      • no
      • that's pointless
      • and a lie
      • you haven't seen it
      • so why would you agree?
      • see it first

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • let me explain

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • shoot

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • i agree with what you're saying...i'm not full out of self though. don't think i said that. i didn't.

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • you're not out of the self becase
      • well there is no self
      • but you haven't recognized that
      • BECAUSE
      • you agree with what I'm saying

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • you have to see what I'm saying
      • that's it
      • that's all it takes
      • one look
      • to check if there's really no you
      • if you agree
      • before looking
      • you've already lost

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • okay looking

    • about an hour ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • cool
      • I gotta dash for a while, really try to see the truth of this
      • I'll be back in 20ish
      • k?

    • about an hour ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • kk
      • sounds good

    • 43 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • so
      • you see it?

    • 37 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • sorry was dealing with the kids

    • 36 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • heh

    • 36 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • took a little time though
      • since we're talking honesty here...still not there yet. feel like the "me" is around

    • 35 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • ya
      • the feeling stays
      • don't worry about that
      • in fact
      • ignore it
      • an actual you - can you see that there's no actual you
      • a feeling is a feeling
      • an actual you
      • would be the feeler of that feeling
      • thinker of thoughts

    • 33 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • can't see that
      • its like i see the world happening

    • 33 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • cool
      • yeah, good place to start
      • here's what it's like
      • it's like - the world happening, think of that as the text of a book
      • the words actually printed on a book
      • nowhere in the book is there any talk about a self, a you
      • but
      • you keep reading that into it
      • you see the world
      • but at the same time are assuming something else
      • something extra on top of it
      • the self

    • 31 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • we're reading something that isn't there

    • 31 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • mhm
      • exactly

    • 30 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • like putting a dragon in the three little pigs

    • 30 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • so all you have to do
      • yeah
      • bingo
      • awesome
      • that's exactly it
      • and even if you can't get rid of the nagging feeling that there is a dragon
      • you can still look plainly at the actual words
      • and see that there's no dragon contained in them
      • thanks - I'll use that analogy later
      • but anyway

    • 29 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • lol

    • 29 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • you see the word moving around
      • thoughts, feelings, sound
      • and at the same time
      • you're assuming a self at the center of it all
      • but it's not there
      • so instead of looking for it
      • or looking to get rid of the feeling that it's there
      • just look at what IS there
      • and see that it's all happening without a self
      • read the three little pigs
      • and notice how there's no mention of a dragon

    • 28 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • DUDE!

    • 28 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • Yeah?

    • 28 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • that analogy hit home
      • big time

    • 28 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • schweeet

    • 28 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • its not about thinking there's no self

    • 28 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • do you see it?
      • oh
      • go on

    • 27 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • dude like you're with a guy who's tripping on acid he can sit there and go
      • dude dude the blinds are moving
      • but you know they aren't

    • 27 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • yeah

    • 27 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • i get it
      • fuck

    • 26 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • Can you apply it?
      • you're the dude tripping on acid
      • except
      • you're capapbale of a moment of clarity
      • where you can see past the hallucination
      • and see it as such
      • life
      • thoughts
      • thinking
      • actions
      • reading
      • no self
      • self illusion
      • other stuff real
      • thought of self real

    • 25 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • the illusion of self..it was like right there...i've heard that statement constantly but its that easy

    • 25 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • you sound excited
      • do you see it?

    • 25 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • i do

    • 25 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • haha kablamo!
      • Describe it to me
      • more
      • I want to make sure
      • it's easy to have red-herrings

    • 24 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • there's sensations
      • hair blowing under the fan
      • fingers hitting keys
      • a tad of heartburn but there's a disconnection
      • like the volume was turned way down as far as sensations go
      • don't feel connected

    • 23 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • alright
      • about the self
      • you
      • where's that

    • 23 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • can't see it
      • like i don't feel "Jojo is moving his fingers...jojo's hair is blowing in the wind"
      • life just goes on

    • 22 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • so what's really going on

    • 22 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • just life
      • nature
      • events

    • 22 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • Is there a you controling it all?

    • 21 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • nah its already going
      • there's just things happening
      • control itself is an illusion

    • 21 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • how sure of this are you?
      • how clear is it?

    • 20 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • its not even about clarity. it just is

    • 20 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • heh, alright
      • but you're pretty positive you've seen it?

    • 20 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • i am

    • 20 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • that you do see it
      • Nice
      • man
      • nice

    • 19 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • question

    • 19 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • Damn - that's good to hear
      • go ahead

    • 19 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • does this stay?
      • will it go away?

    • 19 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • oh yeah
      • no
      • it's a recognition, permanant
      • Because it's always true, you're never going to be able to unsee it
      • the clarity might fade back and forth
      • but don't worry about that

    • 18 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • the dragon and the pigs man

    • 18 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • haha glad that helped
      • so - how did you find out about this stuff, if I may ask?

    • 17 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • i've been a seeker for some time
      • i went to RT back in the day and was like wtf
      • then i jump around to nonduality sites and saw you on one called spiritually incorrect telling the m you could help

    • 16 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • Ah haha, crazy forum

    • 16 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • yeah

    • 15 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • well cool
      • So anyway, yeah, welcome back to life

    • 15 minutes ago
      Jojo Nirvana
      • thanks man

    • 14 minutes ago
      Hicqup Jenkins
      • No problemo

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